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The pumper has, however this would be a dedicated CAFS unit. Mainly based near the highway for Car fire and those things.
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M.Daniels- ERT nut
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J. Hannahan- Post Master General
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'If we ditch SEV-2, what's going to happen to refilling bottles? Is that going to be our (Ladder 1's) job?'
*I say with inquisitive eyes. I look around and feel this discussion is going quite well.*
*I say with inquisitive eyes. I look around and feel this discussion is going quite well.*
DCBurke- Admin
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The new SEVis a CRU, for changeable response unit, right now it will have the units for Rescue equipment, standard fire support, and a minipumper with SCBA recharging station
C. McEvoy- Master Poster
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Nice!
J. Hannahan- Post Master General
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'Wow that sounds good...well, if you guys don't mind.'
*I say getting up from my chair.*
'I'm going to work. Tone us when ya need us.'
*I smile, turn around and walk out of the door. I get into my car and take the 30 second or less drive to the station. I open the station bay door using my garage fob and I go inside and change into my duty clothes.*
*I say getting up from my chair.*
'I'm going to work. Tone us when ya need us.'
*I smile, turn around and walk out of the door. I get into my car and take the 30 second or less drive to the station. I open the station bay door using my garage fob and I go inside and change into my duty clothes.*
C. Davis- Chief of Posting
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Oh Burke that's cool, so they can be staffed if needed or whatever. Personally, I'd rather see a fully staffed and efficient Station 1 than have 2 stations where each truck has like 2 or 3 people on it. So Hutchingson is working alone now?
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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mitch might go with hutch he's a medic
C. Davis- Chief of Posting
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Oh OK. And on the Pumper vs. Squad, I thought Burke always said that the squad was an ALS support truck, for medical and resuce calls. The pumper is more for fire supression and that kinda stuff. I mean I know it's ALS now, but I still think the squad should be more for medicals because it's not needed as much on fire calls. On fire calls, it can help with SAR or fire supression, so it's like a support rig. But to think of it, I'm EMT but Raven's the only PM, so you do have a point.
DCBurke- Admin
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Pumper vs squad. They were given this call for two reasons. The TO asked for a call like this for training purposes, and right now, there isn't anyone Paramedic certified on board since Raven is on a leave of absence. Obviously this isn't ideal, and I'm working to find another paramedic to place there. Actually, my ideal would be to have oeveryone on the squad paramedic certified, but I digress
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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yeah you don't have any medics right now so it makes sense but other then that yeah squad should probably do medical calls but really anyone could take them all our units are ALS
C. Hutchison- Master Poster
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Heck, we really only need the RA and the TO/HRES of each truck to be medics. Just my opinion. And I know that this type of call was requested, but if this were a "real" call would we sent the RA instead of the Pumper and a PEMS vehicle?
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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not if it's in PEMS territory or if they requested a PEMS ambo instead of ours
C. Hutchison- Master Poster
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I'm saying that if PEMS is requesting a first responder, why tie up a fire suppression rig when we have a RA ready to roll.
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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...Idk i'm out of ways to make it logical
DCBurke- Admin
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Well, I want every unit to have two medics at least, since it's nice to have medics.C. Hutchison wrote:Heck, we really only need the RA and the TO/HRES of each truck to be medics. Just my opinion. And I know that this type of call was requested, but if this were a "real" call would we sent the RA instead of the Pumper and a PEMS vehicle?
Ambulances dispatcehd to emergencies are done on a need basis, we allM. Cressler wrote:not if it's in PEMS territory or if they requested a PEMS ambo instead of ours
charge the same rate across the board so it doesn't make a difference.
If you call 911, you get whatever ambulance is available.
Realistically, PEMS would never call us for first responder, it'd just go straight to us, but for this call we pretended PFD was busy with the stock exchange overhaul, PEMS was all used up and RA was off duty, just for training's sakeC. Hutchison wrote:I'm saying that if PEMS is requesting a first responder, why tie up a fire suppression rig when we have a RA ready to roll.
M.Daniels- ERT nut
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I PM'd Burke saying that I will move to the squad because I have Paramedic CERTS.
C. Davis- Chief of Posting
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Burke, I am going for PM training so that I can also be a medic. As an ALS support rig, there should be some more people with PM certs.
DCBurke- Admin
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Well I'm currently in talks with different people who are qualified to train, see if we can get a formal training program schedule set up.
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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There is no you have mitch to now but I agree we should have 1 or 2 more medics especially for when we open the new station were going to need medics and we have a few but not a ton.
DCBurke- Admin
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We're going to set up a specific training system, since what we have now isn't good at all, as there is no formal training taking place
C. Davis- Chief of Posting
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Well the more medics the better. That means we have more people available to help with triage at big calls if the fires are out or whatever.
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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yeah but we don't want everyone to be a medic everyone should be an EMT but not a medic it's not realistic I mean yeah we need more medics for EMS but not many more in fire
DCBurke- Admin
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I'm going to start with two on a rig, unless it's a special rig, then anyone else who wants medic certs can go work in EMS, or wait
J. Hannahan- Post Master General
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There are departments (Fire and EMS I mean) that are ALL paramedic. Paramedics on the engine's and ambo's. Just letting you know it isn't unrealistic. It's just not so common.
C. Hutchison- Master Poster
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I know that here in the midwest, you'd be hard pressed to find a full time fire department that does not run all FF/PMs.
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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thats the midwest though a lot of places out there you need that many medics because chances are you have a long ride to a hospital most cities you only have to be EMT trained some you only have to be first responder trained because ambulances are a lot closer by your hardly ever going to be somewhere before an ambulance crew
A. O'Reilly- Master Poster
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Not everyone on here has the background needed to be a PM. I have no RL medical experience at all. What do you expect those w/o a background to do?
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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yeah you need to remember that to i'm starting to take my tests for BLS cert and i can barely survive as a medic on here i mean i'm learning a lot quickly but if i had any less experience there is no way i could do it
C. Hutchison- Master Poster
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I know of at least 4 big city departments, Columbus OH, Cincinatti OH, Cleavland OH and Lexington KY, that require you to take your PM with in 1-2 years of hire. You must go through the initial FF I and II and EMT Academy obviously.
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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well there is an exception to every rule of course
J.Floan- ERT nut
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C. Hutchison wrote:Heck, we really only need the RA and the TO/HRES of each truck to be medics. Just my opinion. And I know that this type of call was requested, but if this were a "real" call would we sent the RA instead of the Pumper and a PEMS vehicle?
Well cory in my dept we have ALS engines and ALS RA's and they can do tandem or on seperate runs, so the Engine/Pumper whichever u prefer does go on Meds at least 8-11 per day at my house, same at my old house in LA We ran meds with an ALS engine and an ALS squad as well. so i guess to each his own.
Back to here now, I just dont want my Engine being reserved for nothing but fires, we can definatly handle medical calls when necessary.
C. Hutchison- Master Poster
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I just know where I'm from only ALS calls get an Engine/Medic combo. So if it was an injuries from a fall the closest Medic would be sent and that is it. Once and a while, if the nearest Medic is coming from half way across the city or something like that we get the Battalion's EMS supevisor, but never an engine on a BLS run.
A. O'Reilly- Master Poster
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Going to throw my two bits in here. Around here, it's largely rural, so it's largely vollies. First responder calls are sent through Dispatch, but not everyone responds. Sometimes no one responds except for the ambulance. And out here, it's not all ALS. Not the county's EMS, not the city's FD, not the local rescue squad (which technically isn't a rescue squad, it's an ambo service), not anyone that I know of.
Jack Anders- ERT nut
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Where I live is rural as well, We will 98% of the time dispatch RMC ambo with a volunteer First Responder unit that is simply a SUV. This works well as you have basic First Aid until the PMs arive in the ambo. Most FRs are also trained up to atleast EMT-I where if needed they can perform PM services with the ambo crews suppervision.
J.Floan- ERT nut
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When i was in LaCoFd we didnt deal in Volunteer depts much but Up here in Montana we are the only Paid dept for a LONG way's and we support the surrounding Vol's. the Vol depts around us here send their Engines to all runs wether BLS, als or help an elderly person back to bed ( Yea that is an actual call up here LOL Blew my mind when I first got that call, good lord. ) but anyways The RA plays a HUGE part for ALS response and transport, the Squad is huge for its Rescue, ALS response and SAR, the Ladder is bigfor its ladder obviously, SAR and some rescue, but it seems my engine has been reserved for nothing but firefighting and support at accidents. We can evolve into much more than that I dont mind running BLS runs ALS runs hell give me an old person that needs help into bed again lol. I didnt know that Vol depts could run ambulances even, thats pretty cool
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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we have those calls to we call them lift assists generally you don't really respond to them unless your just sitting home doing nothing there sorta non priority calls
J.Floan- ERT nut
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lol we dont have that choice, we get the call we go but no lights or siren. just code 1 response. But my point is still my Engine stands ready to respond to anything at any time. Im confident in my crew now that we can handle it.
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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well yeah but your paid haha atleast you get to take a ride in the truck thats always fun if it's nice out haha and most of the time we just drive in our POV's to the scene at meet the ambulance we have a old people highrise right behind our station so we have to lift assist there a lot
C. Davis- Chief of Posting
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What I meant is that since we're an ALS support rig, we should have some extra medics on bored, since all of us are already EMT certified.
DCBurke- Admin
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Every unit will have at least 2 medics on it soon.
C. Davis- Chief of Posting
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Ok that's good. Now we'll have more guys at triage.
DCBurke- Admin
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We'll be getting more training done too, like actual leave duty for a day or so training. I think it'll work nicely. I couldn't do it the way I intended to from the Original ERT, but I can do it now, since I have two people who do not have the commitment levels to serve their officer positions, so I put them in training, full time, which works great for us both 
M.Daniels- ERT nut
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How do you guys feel about having some calls that are false alarms. Like having the fire alarm going off, but we are either cancelled on the way there or when we arrive there is no fire. Another possibility is the PFD gets there first.
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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We've been sorta through this before we can make a call a false alarm if we want...like a while back the bank fire could of been a false alarm....they made that consigment store into a false alarm...it could be done....see the only problem with canceling in route is were not really in route for real time usually it's only two or three posts which can be 5 minutes and burke would have to be waiting for like the second we said we were on the way...it would just be hard to do
DCBurke- Admin
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Well false alarms are set up often, but usually first on scene doesn't want to do it as a falsie
C. Davis- Chief of Posting
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Yeah, we'd have to gear up and check out the scene and everything. We did that before, just a few weeks ago or so.
M.Daniels- ERT nut
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Another Idea guys. 
How would you feel about assigned seats and positions on units, like Engineer and so on. I was thinking about this today and thought I would ask your guys' opinion. I might even draw up a fake assigned seats digram.
How would you feel about assigned seats and positions on units, like Engineer and so on. I was thinking about this today and thought I would ask your guys' opinion. I might even draw up a fake assigned seats digram.
M. Cressler- Major Poster
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well we are suppose to hvae seats but people have been moving around so much and changed it doesn't usually get done like jack is the engineer/driver on the pumper.
C. Davis- Chief of Posting
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Yeah I see what you're saying, like hydrant man and stuff, but that would get kinda messed up if somebody wasn't on that call or was away for something.
DCBurke- Admin
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Positions rotate, so everyone can do what they need to. IE if there is one medic on a call, and you're first responders and there is an injured person then the medic would not drive, and if there was only one non medic trained person on board, they'd drive. Least needed drives to scene, since driver is the last one off the unit.
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